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Re: Advanced Save Game Six Empires Huge Map and Minor Races

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A science based linguistic approach to diplomatically have an exchange would most prudently have humans travel to a designated region, under the diplomatic protection of the host species, and not enter Earth's atmosphere. Otherwise obvious chaos and overreaction would result.

It would be totally nonthreatening if desiring a positive diplomatic exchange and not implying a veiled threat.

Think of Jodie Foster in the film Contact.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sRPUO6gGSh8
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PGRu0IMljIY
The Vissians absolutely are willing to teach the people of Earth advanced technology and the Enterprise crew totally botches first contact. This is the genesis of the Prime Directive and that is a failure in my opinion.
https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Vissian

They have had warp drive since the 12 Century on the Earth and clearly exceed even Vulcan technology regarding shielding from intense solar radiation and gravity.

An advanced species need not fear clearly inferior species and this Omega saved game proves that.
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It is the most common element in science fiction: the people of Earth encounter a vastly superior species which is totally politically incorrect in an age that mocks ethnocentrism.

But that is a likely reality. Human beings have squandered our technology and wealth by pursuing inept military tactics because we actually ethically hate war and conquering. So we fail as we cannot accept the consequences of war.

So in all likelihood arriving extraterrestrials or interdimensionals will be our superiors and we will be eating humble pie.

Unless you have the high strangeness of the premise of the sci-fi thriller Under the Skin, which is actually promoting vegan ideas as a parable, then superior aliens would probably not be here to conquer or they just would do it without blinking an eye. They would see humans as hostile parasites on a beautiful world.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CcR5KHjoc-0

In a galaxy, there is no shortage of planets, so why travel all this way except out of curiosity?
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As the vastly superior in every way Omega Alliance, I have zero interest in conquering minor and major species, but I could if I needed to. I have the largest empire and do not really need more. If I could do humanitarian missions and make the galaxy the best possible version, yet honor the others' visions and goals at self-determination, I would do so without question. Why not?

The threat of sabotage bothers me. I find the Cartare enslaving others distasteful and feel revolted that the Omega are parasitic plants. So if it were possible to remedy both, I would do so. That would be compelling. It would be even interesting to grant the minor races that the Omega conquered back their own autonomy. Why not?
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Here is the Vi history and storyline.

Now read and analyze what it says. Any Vi leadership achieving what I have achieved in such a short time would believe it is true. The Vi would think they are in fact superior, and having achieved most of their goals have lots of options.

I think they might try to conquer the galaxy to make it a utopia regardless if other species bend the knee willingly.

But just as likely, they would use the sum of all knowledge to do a super project where a plant based cloned being would be created that is superior to all major and minor races. They would want to get the DNA from every world's sentient species but also every plant form with potential, and then synthesize a new hybrid plant animal species. Then control their creation as a living host and probably by design the new host has no higher order nervous system.

As the Vi feel superior to all others, they would not want to be symbiotically with any other form, but one they totally engineered as any other form would be inferior. Even an android might be considered inferior as it cannot procreate.
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The Vi would control their own fate as genetic eugenecists and think of this as an interim step in their evolution. They would see all other species as undeveloped immature ones who still squabble over money and natural resources despite a vast galaxy where there is no immediate need for hundreds of lifetimes to run out of planets in actuality. It might as well be infinite.

They would not limit themselves to terraformable worlds but genetically engineer themselves to even exist on gas giants in some manner.

Living as immature other species would bore the Vi as they would see that as childish.
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N4KdJQpqU4w
Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)

Basically the pod people of this sci-fi film are an extraterrestrial or interdimensional plant species who replicate as human beings by emulating their host, then eliminate them to conquer new worlds.

At this point, they no longer need such symbiosis or hostility, but would achieve the next stage in their development to achieve a superior result.

War is passe as it is what inferior species do, so why would the Vi wage war?
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The Vi would consider the following possibilities.

1. War is inevitable in immature species despite it being illogical.
2. So the Vi as the sole present mature species could conquer to prevent war and transform the galaxy so there is eternal peace.
3. Which might facilitate all other species to mature.
4. Or surmise that immature species will resist maturation and wage war regardless as a form of mental illness...particularly the Khaoran.
5. Therefore shrug and be resigned that the prophecy is inevitable, so detach themselves from the immature species. So live in isolation and plausibly migrate to failed sectors after immature species annihilate each other.
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Try to put yourself in the leadership role of the Vi.

Is it philosophically correct to force immature species to yield their autonomy so they are safely mentored by the superior mature Vi? And then realize that there is no guarantee that other sentient immature species ever mature, so this mentorship is not only against their will but plausibly a perpetual social contract.

Why is that the Vi's responsibility? Only because of the alleged origin of the Vi by their creators. The Vi can yield to their creator's prophecy or create their own destiny. They have explored 75% of the galaxy and conquered a sizable portion with no peers and no genuine threat, so why is it their responsibility to bring peaceful order to the galaxy that is unwanted and a hugely expensive burden?
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As any empire can see the pinnacle of their desires and goals become a realistic plausibility, they all would question the veracity of their ancestor's goals. The Khaoran would be filled with self-doubt about waging endless war to see who is best at it. The Cartare would be repulsed by slavery. The Terrans would have so many species that they lose their core identity. The Heyoun would feel the hollow achievement of limitless wealth.

They would want something to either justify these aspirations or begin discarding and synthesizing new goals.

It would invoke ennui and boredom. Some percentage would try altruism, then maybe see that as useless and maybe stifling the impetus to change because of a self-awareness that dependency is no better than ignorant suffering. A drug addict who is mollycoddled never elects to eliminate their addiction themselves.
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Some percentage of the Vi would be contrarians and pose this question, "How do you know the Terrans, while immature right now, won't eventually surpass us"?

And they would be correct as history proves isolation causes stagnation of technological development. In the grand scheme of the life of the galaxy, the Omega in the vanguard may just be temporary. The Sumerians were a thousand years ahead of every other human civilization.
https://www.history.com/news/9-things-y ... -sumerians

The Japanese were technically superior at war, but then realized their tactics were antiquated and asked for Prussian military advisers and comprehensive European advisers in every known science.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign ... eiji_Japan
They were called the O-yatoi Gaikokujin.
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jakob_Meckel
Jakob Meckel totally revised the Japanese military during this period.
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If you study the minor race history, you are going to find out that genetic engineering doesn't always work as it backfires. The created being supplant their creators and start their own civilization.

Just because the Omega seem superior, what if joining other host bodies to their own plant species then makes them all ill to a contagion or they fall prey to a disease? Maybe a latent nervous system seizes control and the Omega are trapped like they trapped other species. Anything could happen. Maybe this new life form then has to undergo a resting state as some plants do, and then while essentially hibernating, other species take over their empire.

Empires never last.
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A starship captain ain't afraid to fight a space battle if a greater nobler purpose calls for it and probably to save lives, both his own people as well as the enemy.

But a starship captain wants to explore, do humanitarian missions, make friends, and study planetary and stellar development.

95% of BotE is constructive. All I did was eliminate some of the tedium so IF someone wanted to wage war, they could easily do so. If you are a badass, nobody wants to fight you.
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Decades ago, I was reading an article in which an actor was being interviewed. He said it was impossible to play a character authentically if he also played as if the character was aware they were immoral. See everyone justifies their behavior as they age, as otherwise, they would be paralyzed by self-doubt.

Every major and minor race would be the same way. They would justify the way their species had developed and the choices they made. So an astronaut simply could not cope if they were constantly judging the species they were visiting. It would boggle their mind and some actions would seem reprehensible, while others would make them incredulous, and others make them feel like erupting in peals of laughter...totally merriment or even so absurd that one would feel barely able to stifle guffaws.

And human responses would seem just as bizarre to them...just confounding as our ways are largely emotional...truly nonsensical. Think about attending universities. Why should 18 year olds do that as they are bewildered about the course of their lives and barely have the emotional maturity to make such choices?

It is a shame so little of that happens in the game and so much is based on economics and for the goal of waging war.
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