Advanced Save Game Six Empires Huge Map and Minor Races

[UesugiKenshin]

I don't think most people grasp what BotE could be as an open ended sandbox game. You will explore the entire galaxy in 500 turns. Yes, you could conquer the galaxy in about that time. Is that all you suppose that a galactic simulation is...just survival and killing and elimination?

BotE with achievable goals for every empire through continued scoring could be more than just taking another sector and exploiting every aspect to make more money and troops and starships.

Maybe by turn #2000, the Omega are not even recognizable as they no longer require a symbiotic relationship? That has defined their existence but what it is no longer required?

[UesugiKenshin]

If you are a billionaire and secure, do you keep trying to make more money, or do you try to do some good with it?

I see billionaires as foolish people if they keep striving to make more as that is a hollow pursuit and based on fear when in fact, they should be more secure that 99.99% of human beings.

If there is even more technology and possible higher morale scores, then imagine that 200 is a state of 100% devotion which is labeled fanatical in BotE, but what if 300 would be like Alpha Centauri and transcendence?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=evs0nFCufNM

What if there are a set of goals that have nothing to do with conquering when there is no scarcity and buildings facilitate serving the people so all that empire's hopes and dreams become possible? They transcend mundane striving for more worthless trinkets that cannot plausibly satisfy...as it is just junk and silly.

[UesugiKenshin]

Imagine an empire where there is...
1. No pollution
2. No poverty
3. No disease
4. No infirmity
5. No suffering
6. No mental illness
7. No developmental delay
8. Endless ability to achieve
9. As much education as you wish to attain
10. These are noble goals and far more valuable than conquering 100% of 1600 sectors of a galaxy

In such a galaxy, anyone could own land as the galactic size is a staggering near incomprehensible 1600 sectors times 20 light years so 32,000 light-year/sectors. The human mind cannot even imagine so much area. It is boundless and there would be no restrictions and a sixth of that is plenty. Every empire's citizens would have enough and not have to fight over it.

A light year equals 5.88 trillion miles (9.5 trillion kilometers).

It is a choice of bliss vs perpetual war. Which would you choose?

The estimated size of the Milky Way galaxy is 52,850 light years....but that is an old number. We don't know as the galactic hub is so intensely packed versus the periphery plus what is the total height?

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ast ... y-way-size
The newest estimated diameter is 1.9 million light years.

[UesugiKenshin]

“We are not enemies, but friends,” he said. “Though passion may have strained, it must not break our bonds of affection. The mystic chords of memory … will yet swell the chorus of the Union, when again touched, as they surely will be, by the better angels of our nature.”
President Abraham Lincoln
March 4, 1861

President Lincoln, on the brink of the US Civil War, gave this speech to no avail...as the pundits today forget he himself was responsible for the punitive tariff that largely caused the war and violated the very political framework that Thomas Jefferson had insisted upon as an ardent anti-Federalist.

I suppose that every empire, as they would evolve after realizing there is in fact no scarcity, would then be shaken by the ramifications.

1. The Omega had parasitically violated the free will of species.
2. The Rotharians had created the ultimate totalitarian state and so abused their citizens.
3. The Khaoran would have no justification for honorable war, if in fact it ever existed.
4. The Heyoun had stupidly focused on wealth.
5. The Cartare had enslaved free people and their own dissidents.
6. The Terrans had lied to every minor race to exploit them.

Then diehard anachcronistic dinosaurs would resist change. It is human nature and based on fear. And dissidents would then hope to just enact their own equally repellent exploitative political ideologies. Civil War would be inevitable. Aristocrats always exist and pretend they are like the common people...when they are just lying exploiters.

Some might transition easier to a paradigm where scarcity does not exist and endless wealth used in entirely beneficent ways to aid the people.

[UesugiKenshin]

I envision that BotE would have four stages.
1. Striving to conquer
2. Wealth and decadence
3. Civil War
4. Utopia leading to transcendence

Every transition would cause either inter-empire or intra-empire or both conflict. But ultimately if scarcity does not in fact exist, then war is foolish and counterproductive. Owning a 1/6 of the entire galaxy should be more than enough to achieve a utopia. I have proved it several times...at 200% fanatical citizenry and vast wealth and supreme military power.

[UesugiKenshin]

If the Balancer mod was complete to level 2.0, the Omega would begin a utopia and move towards transcendence without question and would even help the Terrans for sure, maybe the Heyoun, and try to get along with the Khaoran. Starting a war with any of the five other empires is pointless.

The sole reason to begin a war with the Cartare and Rotharians is to prevent sabotage after building a near utopia. Those two empires are like 2 year old toddlers who delight in toppling stacks of blocks or breaking sandcastles.

Anyone who even vaguely understands Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs would comprehend the truth of what I am saying.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow' ... y_of_needs

[UesugiKenshin]

The Omega have vast wealth, all knowledge, probably cannot be attacked with any success, have a magnificent armada and lethal ground invasion troops and defenders.

They want better starships, but only 4 even sound attractive as what they have is spectacular. Waging galactic war that would kill hundreds of billions seems brutish and barbaric and unnecessary.

If they could make better starships and fleets, they would do so for the sheer novelty of it as that would fulfill childish fantasies.
"Wow! Look at what that starship can do when completely enhanced!"

But not actually use them.

Gaining a starship design is quite limited in fact in BotE as a minor race starship while it may be magnificent, can only be made in that particular home sector. You could of course create many major empire starships, and the Khaoran Nightmare is magnificent when fully maxed out, but does that justify genocide? I think not.

The solution is advanced technology as then the Omega could make their own superior dogfighter or advanced armed troop transport or even exceed the Zhordanian Exocren battleship.

So why conquer them?

What the Omega desire is advanced starships that have things like Antiproton Cannon Type 8 0-90 and ablative armor and regenerative shields and mixed torpedoes so they can blast away or shut down their engines.

I wish you could hail them and save those losing soldiers' lives. Soldiers are largely blameless and are just being patriots and following orders. Why punish honorable loyalty?

[UesugiKenshin]

I wish you could have vassalage. That appeals to me. I don't want more expensive headache sectors, just don't want raiding and futile conflict.

[UesugiKenshin]

After the battle of Sekigahara, then rather then again try fighting the Joseph dynasty in what is now Korea, the Tokugawa feared the result. Clearly the Joseon dynasty had vastly superior naval technology plus were backed up by the Qing in China. Winning was not theoretically plausible.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=fRre2hMBqn4
Admiral Yi Sun Shin of the Joseons was one of the greatest admirals of all time. See the film if you can.

So a people in which 10% were samurai aristocrats became bureaucrats and hated the peace as they lost their identity...and became government clerks.

So I think the Khaorans would have the worst civil war of all time. Their entire identity and culture is based on war. It would tear them apart. It would make a great scenario while the other five watch and fear both sides as they may be absorbed. That scenario would have seven major races.

[UesugiKenshin]

Just as the best sports matches are games in which both sides are not equal but similarly strong, the same is true for war.

It is my estimation that this is unlikely to happen with a random galaxy map and a human playing five AI empires...especially against someone who understands the economic system.

The best scenario has to be a designed one where some empire has a map advantage, while another has a research bonus versus an empire that has more starships of a certain class, but lacks adequate troops and transports to be effective. Or another has more minor race members while one is sitting on more raw materials and has a substantial treasury.

There is no way that just randomly occurs. So empires will get eliminated too soon to be irrelevant to being true competition.

See I want to create such a balanced scenario but I need a way to create a map and place stellar anomalies and not every empire can handle being in the middle. I need a way to set infrastructure or if playing as each one, then taking at least 3 weeks per empire. That is entirely too much time...18 weeks just for one scenario and likely the galactic map will be inadequate.

A good mod has a designed map or immediately some empires will have large advantages.

[UesugiKenshin]

http://birth-of-the-empires.de/wiki/ind ... -P#Nuumbar

Several turns ago, I dispatched fleets to sectors where I had long established diplomatic relations like the Nuumbar. They have no fleet but do have a building conferring an industrial advantage. They also stupidly are rebuffing a membership when the Cartare declared war.

This is a problem as I want them as members and I am allied with the Cartare and also with the Nuumbar. If I was in orbit there and if the Cartare attacked them by bombardment, it would cause a conflict between both and if I don't support either, then I am a bad ally, and if I support either separately I am a bad ally from one of the injured parties.

So I arrive a bit delayed at the end of turn #409 so bombardment is taking place in a massive way by the Cartare, and the Nuumbar agree to a membership, thus this is Omega Alliance territory, and the bombardment halts. So the Omega saved the Nuumbar by arriving LATE...literally the eleventh hour.

I could have declared war on the Cartare, but then they also have a diplomatic agreement with the Khaoran and Rotharians who both despise me. Then multiple Omega colony ships might be attacked by the Cartare, Rotharians, and Khaoran as I don't have forces ready yet in the frontier.

So I could save billions of Nuumbar lives, but then lose colony ships and risk billions of Omega citizens in colonial sectors who are not ready to be defended with fleets, but do have sector defenses and troops.

BotE has that kind of diplomatic complexity and the geopolitics (truly an inadequate term as we are talking a sector of space time, not a planet) are very entangled.

[UesugiKenshin]

It will soon become contentious as the Cartare are a sabotage threat, as are the Rotharians. However the Cartare have stupidly claimed several sectors internal to the Omega's sphere of influence, not on the frontier ie the periphery, but deep inside. I will have to attack them.

I can dispatch many fleets simultaneously internally and also to the frontier, and offer bribes to get some minors to join...and perhaps they will, but realistically I need ground invasion troops dispatched to not only potentially attack, but also be prepared for a full onslaught on Cartare frontier territory where I have zero claim.

Regardless, the Nuumbar incident has become the Casus belli and so Khaoran and Rotharian invasions will begin.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casus_belli

So that means all of my Omega colonial sectors and minor race members need immediate reinforcements.

So I should sharply raise intel espionage and sabotage allocation points, in spite of not wanting to.

The war is going hot. The Terrans and Heyoun are both supportive so they both will get drawn in and maybe it's time for a war pact?

I should dispatch 75% of the fleet in a massive display of force and right behind them send escorted transports ready to attack Khaoran and Rotharians colonial sectors as well.

You do NOT want to be in a reactive situation. That is lethal in chess. You will be worn down by attrition.

The power is deeply unbalanced as the Omega are vastly stronger and so responding now may save hundreds of billions of lives, mostly my new potential enemies who may balk at the display of strength.

It really depends on how stupid the Rotharians and Khaoran are versus their loyalty to the Cartare as none of them can win even if working in completely synchronized collaboration.

[UesugiKenshin]

The Cartare are dead men walking...and don't realize it. That is the term said when those US prisoners who are on death row are walking to be given a lethal injection in a public execution.

See they have few places they can expand to, so will begin using combined very weak fleets to bombard and then invade minor races in the galactic center.

But the Terrans, Rotharians, Heyoun, and Khaoran want those center sectors. Most have declared for one empire on another.

One or more will end up attacking the Cartare and then it will be everyone including the Omega carving up Cartare pie.

[UesugiKenshin]

The Omega are in such a preeminent position that they need not rush to engage and use strength just yet, but they must redeploy forces so they are in position and can seize the initiative if they so desire.

I want the other empires to get stronger, but I don't want a strong Cartare waging sabotage attacks either...and the Omega are safe, but the Khaoran are the most vulnerable in that regard.

See even if there were a utopia and transcendence goal, the Omega would still get drawn in to intragalactic war. And never to support the Cartare or Rotharians as both are untrustworthy, and perhaps all AI empires are untrustworthy as well.

[UesugiKenshin]

If there was true vassalage, the Omega would bully the other five and force peace. That is my mindset right now as this is a stupid time for galactic war as the Omega are the only empire ready for it. How moronic as it is for the other five to wage war in such a feeble way. It is not the Terrans and Heyoun instigating this.