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We have apartments largely due to a lack of affordable real estate, yet historically in America, there was so much land that anyone with a little money and gumption could homestead. That likely is true for space colonists as well. There would be an endless amount of land, and one would build up a compound so that one's grandchildren live there and have their own homes. A family would have an inherited manor.

No mortgages.
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On M class planets, one could plausibly make a wood gas generator and burn that same poplar wood in a truck or a generator to create electricity. To have solar means having rare earth metals and a manufacturing process. Why do that when you can do the former?
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A wood gas generator running a farm.

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Methane biodigestion results in cooking fuel and outdoor lighting.
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This methodology is so low tech that some kids in American schools raise tilapia. One can similarly raise freshwater prawns.

If you do that and raise rabbits, you have meat and seafood.

Naturally space colonists would raise rice and beans and corn and wheat and so have all the essential amino acids so vegetarians and vegans have their needs taken care of as well as eaten by omnivores.

If each colonist has 10 acres (4.05 hectares) and use a variety of methods like hugelkultur, then this uses far less water so facilitates small scale gardening with high crop yields.
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Some people would be miners, but likely much of the drudgery will be removed through automation. And still their spouses likely will stay at home and do multiple tasks plus homeschool the children.

Is there honestly a reason to have public education on alien planets? I doubt it. You certainly could, but it wouldn't be a necessity.
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Modern and postmodern agriculture is all about monoculture so large harvesters can come in and mass harvest a single crop.

Space colonists would grow using polyculture and do succession planting and likely use cloches to extend the harvest earlier and later. They grow their own food and then can it, dehydrate it, pickle it, and occasionally freeze it. They largely won't need grocery stores except for luxuries and being homesick for food from back home. If is illogical to ship food 20 light years. Some may find excellent sites on the planets in their sector to grow unusual crops.
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If they want tobacco or whatever, they probably grow it. And so if harmful, what they smoke is in such small amounts that it minimizes health risks.

The same is true with brewers making beer by hand and making wine and fortified wines. The batches will be small and then it runs out, just like in history.

It makes sense to make certain alcohol like isopropyl, but makes little sense to make ethanol. Any beginning organic chemistry student in America likely has an experiment making ethanol. It isn't hard, the problem is controlling the "come over" temperature or else you get alcohols which are undesirable for ingesting and potential blindness. Historically such distilleries caused fires too. Some space colonists will still do it.
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Space colonists will be very intelligent folks and if they want certain products, then some specialization will begin happening.

Some crops just make zero sense like almonds. They require immense amounts of water and can't be justified.

Some people might intentionally grow seaweeds and spirulina.

In history, prior to pharmaceuticals, physicians grew herbs in gardens and made tinctures and that was the medicine dispensed. Likely something like that will unfold , or else you wait a long time until pharmaceutical manufacturing rises up to provide those products.

It would be terribly expensive to send products 20 light years for colonists. Every necessary product like insulin has to be reproduced in that inhabited sector. This is a major undertaking, and realize that 8 billion are in the colony ships and when they arrive, they have many turns of just terraforming and living on stored supplies. Thus when they finish, they probably have scant supplies left.
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Do some math about how many supplies one needs for a family of four and then expand that into a colony ship holding 8 billion. And immense amount of supplies are needed for months and months (travel plus terraforming plus starting supplies), then a huge undertaking just to get agriculture and housing and wells dug. It will be years and years for certain products to be available and priority will be on medicine and mining and administration and research and power generation.

What a space colonist needs out on their homestead likely is mostly their responsibility. Better have some heirloom seeds.
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When a space colonist arrives on an alien plant, there is no electricity or running water. This should be common sense. So whoever has ancestral skills and bushcraft skills then organizes and have taught the colonists on the trip how to do these skills. They will have to do them on their homestead and that includes making shallow sandpoint wells and deep wells.

There is no way to haul enough water for 8 billion people plus there is no piping in place for distribution until such a system is designed and laid out by utility workers. It may be years before that happens.

Human beings especially urban dwellers have expectations that will not exist for a new space colonist.
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The first botanists and biologists would scour the land looking for indigenous plant species that could be best utilized and even cultivated as food and medicine sources. Maybe their trees produce better lumber, but we won't know until scientists on survey teams beam down with security personnel and do total comprehensive analysis. This is months of work and the clock is ticking on dwindling supplies.

A few bad harvests without supply ships would doom those colonists. The soil may be different or need soil amenities to get the pH in the proper range. The water similarly may not be 7.0 but acid or alkaline. Drinkable water is miniscule compared to agricultural needs which require vast amounts of water in the proper range.

A smart colonist arrives in the 2nd or 3rd waves after manifold issues are worked out. You got to have some backbone and be brave to go first. It won't be easy.
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Space colonies might initially have a harsher life for a new colonist than trying at the homesector, but eventually every colonist would have a high standard of living as they create wealth on their homestead, plus through income with 100% employment. Poverty would largely disappear unless one just didn't want wealth and employment.

Many bills would be erased as you make what you require and desire. No grocery bill. No electricity bill. No water bill. No mortgage. Maybe you have horses at first so no vehicle other than a cart. No gasoline (petrol) bill. If homeschooling, no property taxes.

A person growing tobacco and making wine is going to have a comfortable life. A blacksmith will always be needed. The same is true of a carpenter and an electrician.

Most people would have to do some tasks themselves, but eventually side businesses would arise and family businesses from that homestead.

It is very likely that barter replaces money as who is going to keep track of 8 billion colonists' personal transactions?

Colonist #1 "My wine is ready and is good this year."
Colonist #2 "My wife made yogurt and cheese or we have freshwater prawns?,"

That will be entirely normal on space colonies.

It would be a huge opportunity as that wealth would perpetuate in one's heirs. They would not need to do the work for building a home and getting the farm started, but maintain it plus the income.

Just like in history, four poor brothers plus their wives might go to colonize some planet. They have no future on a crowded Earth, but if they start homesteads and help each other, suddenly they have abundance and few bills.

Homeless people might go to space in some circumstances. I would fully expect refugees to go.

In American history, immigrants banded together to maintain their culture, and so they founded villages and so then had festivals and other cultural events so they would not lose their identity. Plus marry other immigrants and maintain their spiritual beliefs.
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There is plenty of land to accommodate 11 billion people, but some of that land is deemed uninhabitable. Well, I got news for you. Like on some plant classes may seem pretty uninhabitable even after terraforming.

What is more about 2050, without serious agricultural reform, as it takes too much space for livestock, and I love to eat wild game and meat and fish, we will run out of room. And it isn't just a practical issue of land space, but having the soil amenities to ensure the land can grow fodder and be a good habitat for livestock.

I feel certain with hydroponics we can do better and it makes sense for everyone to live in rural areas and have gardens and small scale livestock. But going to space and building L5 type colonies in geosync and lunar colonies and asteroid mining and considering Mars are not about IF but WHEN.

Some young players of BotE likely will be see space colonization in their lifetimes. Maybe their grandchildren go to space as the Earth cannot handle so many people.

Strangely enough, Europe, Japan, Canada, and the USA do not have this problem. These are African and Middle Eastern and Asian issues particularly China.

We have low population density and a declining birth rate. We are not running out of room, but we grow a LOT of food for the entire world and if we commit a lot of resources to agriculture, that is land that is unavailable and farmland prices will RISE. Food costs will significantly rise.

Thank goodness we are not run by just globalists as it's not our fault some countries have these issues. It's not our responsibility to solve Chinese overcrowding. That is a communist issue and largely of their own making. Their land is horrendously polluted and they lack fresh water because those pollutants seep into the ground water. How do you raise crops on polluted land?
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We have to experimentally try building O'Neil cylinders in geosync to see if it works and then move people into space. There may be insurmountable issues in engineering and in agriculture and in health effects.

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So you probably think, "Oh it's not our problem, but their problem. Let them figure it out".

The way they probably figure it out is a massive world war and a ground invasion of the USA. The Russians reinvade into Eastern Europe and beyond. Jihadists declare war on Greece and the rest of Europe.

Likely Chinese flee into western civilization and real estate goes sky high making it impossible for Gen Z to buy homes.
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