Advanced Save Game Six Empires Huge Map and Minor Races

[UesugiKenshin]

Every other empire may fear and avoid fighting the Khaoran, but your race did not. And maybe since childhood, they were like Spartans and trained to enjoy fighting and the challenge. So fighting is not a thing to be avoided but a beneficial phenomena that friends do.

And your race indulging them this way, even if crews die, means their crews died happily knowing they fought their best and finally met a worthy adversary.

It actually makes sense and the way that alien species will respond and react will sometimes be totally the opposite of how human beings act. Maybe life is not prized above all other aspects, but dismissed as mundane.

To a Klingon, dying in old age is a curse, as that means they missed their golden opportunity as they grasped at survival too tightly. Then they linger and die pathetically in infirmity.

[UesugiKenshin]

Every race has a moral data value for all of these significant actions, but in a mod where the combat victory goal is turned on, then the moral data might be significantly different.

A peaceful race might be horrified as their only option is waging war when they may be scientists wanting to be the most knowledgeable or the first to achieve transcendence.

They would be akin to the scientists working on the Manhattan Project who realized they created the ultimate weapon and have doomed humanity to extinction, when they might have solved energy production through nuclear fusion.

[UesugiKenshin]

Turn #414
Treasury 97.8 million
Armada size 1008 ships (mostly capitol ships)

Really it's a weird game as I am sabotaging the diplomacy of the Cartare, with no effect at 15% of my intel points as they are able to block them. Simultaneously I am actually terraforming their planets. How bizarre.

I know where the Chewark,Vorgor, and Hiroka are, but they are so far away that though dispatched to the first two, I doubt they get there and do their diplomatic fleet mission. The Humans got to the Hiroka first with their fleet. These are on the other side of the galaxy and remember it is maxed out.

With so many ships, and though most settlement have 10 level 6 troops, or are in the process of attaining that, a lot of ground invasions will be needed, so I may make more as most of the infrastructure is done.

If transcendence was a goal, I would be actively doing that. If storytelling was on and missions, I would be doing that too. I don't really want to conquer other empires as they are no threat to me as they are a fraction of the Omega's strength.

If I could do this for all six empires, BotE would be fascinating. There would humongous fleet battles and major losses and sectors switching hands. Meanwhile, I think a couple would try the transcendence goals.

It would be compelling if you rewarded the AI to do missions and I wonder if they would turn benevolent as a result? That would be an intriguing game as usually these games have the AI turn out malevolent as winning means harming the other empires in some way. But what if the AI is rewarded for benevolence? The AI would become a true ally and maybe actually friendly. I think many players would enjoy a science fiction game in which that were difficult but possible. It would be a great game for young adults.

[UesugiKenshin]

BotE can be a competitive wargame but still have the difficult possibility where authentic sincere intent by generous missions for other species, minor and major, becomes through complex interaction...actual growing respect and friendship. That sounds like a terrific game actually. Why not be different and less one dimensional in a mammoth galaxy?

A whole backstory and intricate anthropology of their myths and lifestyles and history and spirituality and scientific achievement could slowly be revealed...as they no long fear you as trust over hundreds of turns builds a lasting peace. Maybe then the two of you end up on joint missions as a 3rd empire is dangerous and wrecking the galaxy?

If the Humans get to Transcendence first then it doesn't matter as the Omega will be right behind them.

This idea of "winning" really is a peculiar idea as if you helped them and they helped you and both end up transcending this reality of space combat, then both empires won, right?

[UesugiKenshin]

I think the future is sandbox games especially for the space game genre. I don't see winning in science fiction serialized dramas, not really.

If they "won" the show would be over. It is like the sexual tension on many tv shows where as long as a hero and a heroine have unrequited love, then people keep watching, but what ruins the show is when the writers allow them to get together so there no longer is sexual tension.

Human beings want conflict or unattainable goals and get bored when the goal is achieved...especially when it happens too quickly.

[UesugiKenshin]

Imagine a whole set of buildings that only unlocks by a long productive peace between two empires? Or the converse: the creation of an openly hostile state of diplomacy over a lengthy period, creates such animosity that they become your nemesis. And then a group of buildings is activated as a result.

[UesugiKenshin]

The basic goal of most wargames presumes an environment of scarcity where there is only one nation who can ultimately win. That is balderdash. Reality is nothing like that.

Most games are based the building of empires, when in history, they seldom last, and instead implode. The few that last, dwindle and diminish in power over time. The Roman empire, the Spanish empire, the Ottoman empires lasted and then faltered. Many lasted less than a hundred years. Some are full of rebellious colonies, negligent governments, and impotent rulers. So much for the myth of would be Emperors like Hitler. When Hirohito spoke in his tremulous voice, his subjects realized was no Son of Heaven, just a silly man.

Basing a wargame in a vast galaxy and one empire conquering all other empires is absurd as there would not be scarcity and as technology changed, whatever seemed like a critical resource, would be replaced with newer resources and perhaps those diverse sentient species would face limitless resources.

[UesugiKenshin]

The least interesting way to win now, for me playing as the Omega, is to conquer weak species. It is like defeating a clueless beginner at chess. Instead, were it possible, I probably would help any I could and try to understand all those species.

You see, my main motivations for conquering several minor races was the following.

1. Deny those minor race abilities to my major race rivals.
2. Deny those minor race starships to my major race rivals.
3. Deny those minor race's sectors as staging areas internal to my own empire.
4. Accelerate my research slightly faster.

Honestly, I did not need them, and if the research went to level 20, and there was an incremental starship construction program where there were generations of classes, and far better classes, I wouldn't have conquered any of those minor races. I would have helped them achieve most of their goals.

It would be great to spend my time doing special buildings and making the galaxy a utopia in every sector.

[UesugiKenshin]

The Omega after turn #400 have limitless resources and wealth. They know all science. The possibility of losing is remote.

It is not immediately available, but incremental, and so they could double their armada with ease as well as their troop strength, and their colonial sectors could be impregnable...over time.

But all that power does not make me want to conquer other empires whatsoever.

They cannot conceivably defeat me by sabotage either.

[UesugiKenshin]

The creators of Rome Total War: Barbarian Invasion did a wonderful thing that I have never seen replicated since. Rome Total War allowed the building of the Roman Empire in a vast world. But its sequel is an imploding broken Roman Empire that faces ruination in the first few runs. So the player's task was trying to fix a messy dysfunctional empire. Marvelous mods came out for it that then tried to recreate famous historical units. It is a fascinating game after being modded.

That is realism. Whoever is King of the Hill is supplanted by a new king. That is the history of the world and probably the galaxy.

[UesugiKenshin]

IF I had a campaign editor, I might make that scenario where all these minor races are mediors ie space faring minor races that can build starships and expand outside their sector...and then whittle away at six empires.

"You bullied us, now that you are faltering, and we are taking the galaxy back!"

[UesugiKenshin]

If you are older and are a fan of science fiction and also computer gaming, you cannot help but notice there are several instances of unusually strong Star Trek fans in Germany achieving things like mods to try to replicate something similar. I find that laudable and it makes me optimistic.

[UesugiKenshin]

Why does an average science fiction fan watch films, tv serials, and read novels of this genre?

1. To experience the wonder of encountering other sentient species.
2. To learn how they live and what they think and know about the galaxy.
3. Because on some level, it's optimistic to think we are not alone as we are social creatures.

They do not support science fiction because they want to conquer aliens and take their planets.

Now imagine you are an extraterrestrial or interdimensional anthropologist on a covert mission to study human beings.

Alien anthropologist "It is perplexing. They fear the plausibility of us existing. Simultaneously their films have a near religious awe of us existing. Simultaneously they think we would be monsters, invaders, or bullies who would limit their military capability. Their young people fight us in computer wargames.

We suggest delaying first contact as it probably would be disastrous ten different ways."

[UesugiKenshin]

The Omega have endless resources and probably infinite money. Acquiring more is meaningless. Minor races can't threaten me as on their own, they can't leave the sector. So the only threat is the other major races acquiring their abilities and starships. Even then, it is unlikely they redesign those ships as the Omega have.

Why wouldn't I help them? Even if I perceive them as my arch enemies, the game is more interesting if these other species are stronger.

[UesugiKenshin]

The Falloren capitulated and they have a building that increases sabotage by 25% so I had to try to persuade them to become members. I could have just invaded, but chose not to.

http://birth-of-the-empires.de/wiki/ind ... Falloraner

Sending a big incredibly powerful fleet to hover over the sector is persuasive. But I wasn't mean about it, but kept sending them the maximum money as a gift.